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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by The Last Emperor on Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:04 am

Tyson could collapse if it can catch. But Ali can not be caught.

Ali 'The Greatest' Muhammed
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Donowaman on Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:54 am

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Strieth wrote:I dunno. If Tyson's original trainer never died and he never got in all the bullshit he got in and had a stronger division to motivate him to train for, Tyson would've mopped the floor with any Heavyweight Boxer.

Shame he paid Lennox Lewis to step aside in the 90s, then ducked him....

He only fought him in 2002 because there was no other way he could win a major belt / reclaim his legacy post-Holyfield I & II.

Lewis would have beaten ANY heavyweight in history.... fact. Don't let the US propaganda fool you, kids....

Don't let Brit propaganda fool you, Felch.

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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by CanadianAssault on Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:49 am

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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Kid Gavilan on Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:54 am

OhNoes wrote:LOL Who has Tyson beaten? theres a reason why Ali is considered the best Heavyweight, he fought the best of his time and has faced incredible punchers. Tyson had no heart and folds when his opponent could take his hits and werent afraid of him. Ali could get caught early because he did get hit a lot more then he should but he did get back up from a Joe Frazier left hook and Big George even landed a few good shots on him. Ali would outbox and break Tyson.

He beat everyone that was put in front of him, save for Douglas.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by London Calling on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:01 am

and Holyfield and Lewis, McBride and Williams

think that's it
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Kid Gavilan on Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:29 am

London Calling wrote:and Holyfield and Lewis, McBride and Williams

think that's it

Post prison Tyson was out of his prime.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Robotron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:44 am

a controlled, coached, prime Mike was like a pitbull let out of it's cage to fight..

Ali might have been the better boxer, but that doesn't really matter...

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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by London Calling on Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:33 am

Tyson wasnt in his prime when he lost to Douglas imo. Ali was undefeated in his prime though.

e: lost to Douglas, gah typo


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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Kid Gavilan on Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:20 pm

Tyson lost to Douglas.
Don, Ruth and Robin got rid of the originals in Tyson's corner.
It was the beginning of the end.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Wisdom Blows on Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:00 pm

Daniel Fletcher wrote:Any heavyweights list without Lennox Lewis in the top 2 is biased by American propaganda.

Lennox is arguably the HW GOAT. Olympic champion, beat every man he ever faced, 2 shock losses that were both avenged, beat every young contender, old veteran, fellow champ and legend alike in his generation, and dominated the division for his entire era - early 90s to the early 00s.

Please don't try and discredit and pick that apart either - I could do the same to other boxers, and it's just a negative thing to do.

your nationalism knows no bounds.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by blueyedsamurai on Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:33 pm

Lennox Lewis got beat by klitschko but won due to a cut and then retired because he knew he couldnt beat him
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by London Calling on Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:25 pm

yeah..

and he was nearly 40
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Wisdom Blows on Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:16 am

lennox lewis was a fantastic fighter, but fletch would try and convince you that justin bieber was the greatest singer of all time if he was british.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by blueyedsamurai on Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:15 am

a great fighter, but retiring after a controversial win wasnt the best way to go out
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by R3D on Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:11 am

Tyson would beat Ali.

Its a terrible match up for Ali. Too much speed, too much intensity matched with actual skill and agression.

This wasnt some bigger, slower, slugger. It was a more compact, qucker, skilled killing machine with the Foreman like KO power.

Tyson would have killed Ali if both met in their primes IMO.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by Wisdom Blows on Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:48 pm

ali had a p4p chin, insane stamina, was lightning fast himself, and his defense was ridiculous. at 6'3" i could see him wearing tyson down with his jab, and finishing him off in the later rounds, if he didnt get caught big.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by blueyedsamurai on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:51 pm

does this show that boxing hasnt really evolved that much?

i mean if u said this about royce vs fedor there wouldnt even be a disscussion.

I guess theres only so much to learn in boxing before it comes down to power , stamina and technique
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by R3D on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:53 pm

Boxing has been around for over a hundred years. Obviously it will show less evolution than MMA whic has been around for 10 years.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by blueyedsamurai on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:54 pm

R3D wrote:Boxing has been around for over a hundred years. Obviously it will show less evolution than MMA whic has been around for 10 years.

about 20 years farao
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by R3D on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:55 pm

Ultimate Fighting has been around for 20.

But MMA with unified rules has been around for 10 years. Maybe a little bit longer.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by blueyedsamurai on Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:57 pm

R3D wrote:Ultimate Fighting has been around for 20.

But MMA with unified rules has been around for 10 years. Maybe a little bit longer.

vale tudo even longer.......unified rules are for pussys, pride was a close as it got to vale tudo
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by R3D on Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:07 pm

WAR VALE TUDO!
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by R3D on Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:09 pm

Wisdom Blows wrote:ali had a p4p chin, insane stamina, was lightning fast himself, and his defense was ridiculous. at 6'3" i could see him wearing tyson down with his jab, and finishing him off in the later rounds, if he didnt get caught big.

Prime Tyson isnt a guy you could be worn down by a jab. Maybe the old, undedicated Tyson who was world champ @ 19 years old.

Im quite sure that Tyson would do Ali like Hari did Schilt the first time. Only more efficiently.
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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by CanadianAssault on Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:23 pm

look Mike was Fast and was a Infighter he only had a reach of 71 and he was Barley 5,11 Ali was 6,3 80 Reach now mike tyson admited that he has a breathing condition so the longer the fight goes on the harder it is for tyson to win, now when you look at Ali's fights he would never allow tyson to get close to hit him in the head, heck he did not let sonny liston with a 84 reach touch him.

now look at how Ali lost. he lost 5 Fights in total
4 by Decision and 1 by TKO to larry homies R10 in a 15 Round bout.
(3 of this loses were past ali's prime)
now the Chances of Mike to Beat ali in a Decision is Highly Unlikely
and for Mike to have anuff energy to beat ali in the later rounds? no way

mikes only hope is to TKO/KO Ali in the first 4 rounds and for that to happen he has to catch Ali look at the first liston/ali fight liston was running around trying to get ali and could not catch him.

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Re: Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali.. Who ya got?

Post by CanadianAssault on Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:25 pm

and plus add Ali's Great chin its really hard to end him in the first 4/5 Rounds
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